The rise of full frontal male nudity

The rise of full frontal male nudity

Is this what gender equity is all about?

Suddenly, we’re seeing more male genitalia on screen than ever before.

Think “Forgetting Sarah Marshall,” “Borat” and now “Observe and Report.

Yuck.

OK, I’m a guy, so the trend isn’t meant to titillate me. But these screen “members” aren’t erotic in nature. The male organ is suddenly the go-to shock joke in R-rated comedies.

It’s hard to believe the rise, ahem, of male full frontal nudity will last long.

Then again, flatulence jokes have been a staple of movie comedies for decades, and they show no sign of dissipating.


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KNo Gravatar April 10, 2009 at 4:02 pm

OK, I’m a guy, so the trend isn’t meant to titillate me.

Someone in your profession must have lots of gay friends. Didn’t any of them clue you in?

HeidiNo Gravatar April 10, 2009 at 8:12 pm

I am a woman and I am not titillated by it.

I recently discussed this trend with a bunch of girlfriends, and the consensus seem to be, keep it in the pants boys.

Personally, I think guys find male nudity funnier than women. In college it was always the males running naked around campus at the urging of their drunk male friends. We even had one group at Whitworth College who marched around campus nude with bags over their head chanting “We are the MacMen, the Mighty, Mighty MacMen.” Okay, so that was amusing, but I think they mostly did it for each other. My friends and I certainly weren’t urging them to do it!!!

Keith MarstonNo Gravatar April 10, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Don’t forget Dr. Manhattan’s junk in “The Watchmen”.

DagnabbittNo Gravatar April 10, 2009 at 9:36 pm

I categorize them as “Dick Flix” for a reason….

~ Dagnabbitt

Ben BoychukNo Gravatar April 12, 2009 at 7:29 pm

Judd Apatow has made it his mission in life to include full-frontal male nudity in his films. “Forgetting Sarah Marshall” got a lot of publicity, but I believe Apatow introduced the trope in “Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story” (which I think you liked, Christian… yes?), a criminally underrated comedy that bombed in theaters.

This male nudity stuff is a lot like Julie Andrews going topless in “S.O.B.” Shocking and attention-grabbing at the time. (And pointless in the movie, by the way.) Utterly banal now. We’re doomed.

Oh, one more thing: Dr. Manhattan was naked in the graphic novel most of the time. I guess if you weren’t expecting it in the movie, it would come as a shock. But I just thought it was a CGI penis.

cftotoNo Gravatar April 12, 2009 at 9:14 pm

I guess I judge a film penis by its context … in “Watchmen,” the CGI phallus, to me, is distracting and unnecessary.

In “Observe and Report,” the nudity actually serves a purpose, although by the time it arrives I felt like I needed a Silkwood shower to wash the movie off of me …

And yeah, “Walk Hard” was rock solid … poor John C. Reilly finally gets his lead role and the movie tanks. Not fair.

Heidi … yes, guys love to get nekkid. Odd.

Mad MinervaNo Gravatar April 12, 2009 at 11:21 pm

Christian, kudos on the correct usage of the term “nekkid”! It’s a Southern-ism according to a dear friend from Texas; she says that “naked” = “no clothes,” whereas “nekkid” = “no clothes and up to no good.”

Ain’t regional slang grand?

PS: I’m also not a fan of the nudity trend. Dr. Manhattan’s dress code was a distraction. Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlqCaqmrto4

Cheers,
MM

cftotoNo Gravatar April 13, 2009 at 2:58 am

Good clip!

I used to read Lewis Grizzard, a southern humorist … I think he taught me nekkid.

ToriNo Gravatar April 23, 2009 at 2:18 am

There are so many nude women in movies, I hate going to movies now. I don’t want to pay for that. For every nude woman, there should be a fully nude male. It is completely unequal. They should show hot men fully nude, not just ave. looking guys. Ok. there are like 3 movies out with penis out whereas every movie has a nude woman. They always have the hottest of girls naked. It’s BS! IF they don’t want to get fully nude males, then they need to get rid of nudity in film period. Why can’t you make a good movie without nudity? Sex sells, but leave on the sexy underwear. There doesn’t have to be topless in every effing movie. I hate going to movies now. It’s just degrading for women. Men need to show their junk. Why should women be the only ones naked.

cftotoNo Gravatar April 23, 2009 at 2:23 am

Please don’t see “Crank: High Voltage,” Tori! Appreciate your passion … and your comments.

BernieNo Gravatar May 12, 2009 at 3:15 am

I believe the eye candy of movies should be equal…….as a female I want to see the superb male anatomy (not in the manner of a joke but in it’s true sensual form) along with the female assests being shown on the big screen. I appreciate the visual stimulation as much as a man does his, if not more!

hanaNo Gravatar May 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm

Tori,you are right.Ifell the same way.Ilike to see hot naked guys and feel like our sociaty is complatly doble standart when comes to nudity.This is unfortunate for us only strait woman with super good libido and visual desire.Hope,sometime in the future something will change with the sexism.More womans films produsers.

IpeeFreelyNo Gravatar June 17, 2009 at 6:37 am

Tori your comment is wrong, there are more movies these days with full frontal than women. There are an equal amount of movies showing topless men and topless women, being topless does not equal being “naked”. There are more male genitalia on screen than female genitalia

Tim1974No Gravatar June 25, 2009 at 8:09 pm

Tori and Hana,
Your comments are ridiculous. In reference to full frontal nudity it is almost all male and has been for several years now. There is an occasional film with full female frontal nudity but very rare. Yes, films show breasts but showing breasts DOES NOT equal showing the penis. It is long past the time for equality. Let’s see as much full female frontal nudity as male frontal nudity. It has become a disgusting double standard against males. If you don’t beleive it just look up male frontal movie nudity and see how many films there are and then look up female frontal movie nudity and see they almost don’t exisit. (All comments are in reference to American mainstream films)

Tim1974No Gravatar June 25, 2009 at 8:13 pm

BTW Tori, I do agree with you that it all films could be done without any nudity. It can be just as funny or exciting if the audience needs to use their imagination than have nudity pushed in their faces. However, I do believe if they are going to show it then it should be done equally. Not just breasts for females but the vagina seen as often as the penis. They are not doing that and it is a double standard.

badrunNo Gravatar September 5, 2009 at 10:13 pm

is this a feminist’s agenda / revenge?

LXNo Gravatar October 5, 2009 at 4:08 pm

I think it is a riot that men always say there must be gay men behind the revealing of male frontal nudity !! Are you kidding? What about how women have to deal with every movie you see has bare breasts on the screen, do you really think women enjoy this??? It is sickening, total humiliation for women and unfortunately these poor women are brainwashed into thinking this is what will make them accepted and paid well for humiliating themselves – very sad, they have no self respect, or self worth. Nudity is great when with your partner, we should leave it at that, there is NO reason to see breast in every movie – if we do, then I feel we need to see close up penis shots, erect, and let’s see how comfortable men will feel then !!! They will be mad as hell………………..yet why should a women just sit there and act like seeing constant bare breasts or g-sting shots and just sit there and enjoy it ! Women need to fight this and stop being afraid of men, we allow this behavior and they take total advantage, and then say we are jealous !!!!! How dare them, this is about equality nothing more. For every breast shot- a close up male penis needs to be seen. And yes I think male anatomy is attractive !!!

LXNo Gravatar October 5, 2009 at 4:16 pm

I would like to comment also on some of these other replies. Please do not try to say seeing a womens breast is not sexual or not the same as a men’s penis !!!!! Women’s breast are the sexual part of a women’s body ( Men can look at half naked women and get arroused from a photo, not much less on the screen) that men totally are turned on by, why is this allowed, yet a penis is
different ?? How ? Totally a male pig comment !

TiredFatherNo Gravatar October 10, 2009 at 6:25 am

What is WRONG with films in 2009? KEEP THE PENIS IN PORN. Sooooooo many are affended by it, there not even going to the theaters anymore. Who do we write or petition about this?

Tim1974No Gravatar October 11, 2009 at 12:15 am

LX- Your comments are completely ridiculous and sexist. Breasts ARE NOT equal to seeing a penis. Only seeing the labia is equal to seeing a penis. It is about time for equally and have the ladies start showing their labia as often as males have been asked to show their penises. Breasts are partial nudity. Get real. The problem is women want equality only when it benefits themseleves. Females don’t have a clue what it is like to have their genitals spewed time after time on the big screen. Until then their is no equality. So LX, your sexist comments fall on deaf ears.

good4goose/ganderNo Gravatar October 15, 2009 at 2:30 am

I totally agree with Tim1974, breasts are comparable to buttocks: partial nudity. No less than movie reviewer Jami Bernard was appalled on the rare occasion a movie showed a vulva. Problem is that females are virtually incapable of empathizing with what a man feels. A clue: imagine long lingering shots of vulvas in R rated movies attended by teens (and even younger). Everyone recalls Sharon Stone’s 2 secs. of fame but not the close-up of the murdered man’s penis early in the movie.

Remarks like LX’s convince me that women want privilege not equality.

David HusseyNo Gravatar October 30, 2009 at 11:45 pm

I see no reason to show men or women, nude, in movies. I leave
it up to the actors, if they wish to expose themselves , for the
world to see.

However, when it comes to CHILDREN being filmed nude——–that is a different story. As it is probably undestood by all, BOYS,
almost exclusively, are filmed nude (usually with girls in the scene.)

I am writing a book, tentatively titled, THE “DISSING ” OF
AMEICA’S BOYS, in which I spell out the many ways that film,
T.V., and society, degrade boys in the United States. A Google
search of the title, will display an excerpt.

mrbobNo Gravatar October 31, 2009 at 7:12 pm

i still dont understand whats wrong with male nudity.
“imagine long lingering shots of vulvas in R rated movies attended by teens (and even younger).”
how is this any different then all of the movies filled with breasts with teens (or younger) in the audience? and whats this about “There are an equal amount of movies showing topless men and topless women, being topless does not equal being ‘naked’.” im assuming your male, ever notice how no one says anything when you walk around town without a shirt? ask your wife/girlfriend to do the same and then lets see if you really think a male and a female topless is equal, although im sure that question would be answered for you when the police are arresting her lol.
i think american men, and women, have just gotten used to only seeing breasts in movies so seeing a penis or a vagina is shocking. we just need to get over it. if you look at foreign films you’ll see all the vagina you want, there are naked women everywhere, rarely do u see an equal amount of penis (except in films made by our french friends).

in most cases when women are uncomfortable seeing breasts in movies its because they’re always in movies, but when a man sees a penis its more of.. “omg i have to see another mans penis?!” wonder why.
btw, i understand if you’re against nudity in general, but i wonder, how many of the guys who are appalled by seeing a nude male on screen love going to films with female nudity? i see a lot of people commenting on how its time women show their vagina’s on screen, do the past years (probably more like decades) of women showing their breasts on screen mean so little that when we finally get a movie with some male “junk” everyone suddenly wants to ask even more of women? what will men show then? i see plenty of erect nipples on women in movies, perhaps an erect penis? im sure some of you old geezers who love seeing titties but are afraid of a little wienie would just LOVE that :)

Tim1974No Gravatar November 1, 2009 at 11:16 pm

Well mrbob, showing breasts is partial nudity just like a guy showing his bare behind. This has been talked about before. Showing breasts does not equal showing a penis. Only a vulva is equal to showing a penis. Thus, genitals are equal to genitals. And, with the copius amounts of male genitals shown it is time to see as much vulva in the same ways the penis has been shown. Let’s see a vulva in 10 films in the next two and a half years with no male nudity. Let’s see a vulva several times, up close and in slow motion. Also let’s see a lesbian scene and a close up of the labia flapping open and closed just like the pornography in Bruno. Let’s see in the next “Simpson “movie, Lisa’s vagina like Bart’s penis. Let’s have “an educational” film like maybe “Martha Washington” and have it show female frontal nudity like they showed male frontal nudity in “John Adams.” It can go on and on but the point is it is time to have equal amounts of female nudity. Enough is enough !!
And Dave, I am with you. It is time to stop the nudity exploitation of boys as well.

David HusseyNo Gravatar November 2, 2009 at 3:08 am

Tim 974,
I appreciate your comments. Personaly, I would like for
ALL nude scenes (man, woman, or child), to be kept out
of “main-stream” or “family-oriented” films. I was not
pleased my the scene of “Hot Lips” Hoolihan having the
shower tent collapse around her, in the 1970 movie,
MASH.

Have a blessed day.

David HusseyNo Gravatar November 3, 2009 at 12:42 am

I would like to make my view perfectly clear: I do not suggest
that young girls be filmed, nude, in movies, to “make up for”
the glut of scenes featuring young boys. (Frequently featuring
full-frontal nudity.)

Children should be kept out of nude shots———-PERIOD.

I believe that, as long as movies continue to show scenes of nude
boys, girls will continue to lose respect for boys, in general.

MeMyselfNo Gravatar November 20, 2009 at 10:48 pm

First of all, as far as the question of equality of showing the breast as opposed to the male genitals, is because women have 2 parts that are sexually arousing to men, the top AND bottom. Men expose their top parts even in the summer and this is just normal on a hot day for him to remove his shirt and nothing is thought of it. A woman top half is covered because, well we all know why. That’s the difference. Also, I could never understand men when they say, ‘why do you women get so upset’ when a woman shows her top half, or even when a camera zooms in on the freakin butt cheaks that are hangin out of her shorts, BUT, he would be so upset if HIS woman were to expose herself for other men! THAT in itself should explain WHY women get so upset! Women are supposed to respect herself and her man wants her to respect herself, God for Bid another man sees YOUR woman, but it’s ok for them to see other women and be ok with it. If men want their women to be respectable, then it is only right that the man do just the same!

JasonNo Gravatar December 22, 2009 at 10:14 pm

Borat did it in a way in which it was crazy and original. Everyone else is just copy this.

GabrielNo Gravatar January 28, 2010 at 6:08 am

America thinks the penis is funny but the VAGINA is pornographic. The MPAA and filmakers alike want us to believe this, and since men are not loud enough tihs will continue and get worst. Imagine if the vagina was shown in these movies, women would walking on the streets with cartels protesting what they see as pornographic.
Is there any filmaker with the guts to show a “Vagina” ?.

CKNo Gravatar March 13, 2010 at 1:18 am

Gender bias against men is actually rampant in society, but it has been overlooked and treated with apathy for so long that it is no longer even recognized. That is dangerous.

This forum allows for a good jumping off point to examine how prevalent it is. Since this is a topic of concern, I would enjoy going into detail, but I will be brief. This discussion is about privacy issues concerning the way a female’s privacy is protected and a man’s is not. It is not limited to the locker room issue. Our scrutiny must also turn to the mainstream media. There is blatant bias in Hollywood and film. The amazing thing is most feminist will argue that women are the objectified gender when the opposite is true.

Inequality is easily seen. Although I could go into a tirade about how much full-frontal male exposure is present on virtually every HBO and discuss the way male rear exposure is acceptable on comedy central, MTV, FX channel, and many more; the point is better illustrated by a simple litmus test for comparison – replace the male lead with a female lead and logically conclude whether such a visual would then be accepted.

Examine the recent films of Hostel 2, Walk Hard, and Eastern Promises. Hostel 2 shows, in graphic detail, the male member being severed and fed to a dog. What if the gender were reversed here and it were graphic female mutilation? There would be a definite outcry. Then there is the prolonged scene of male frontal exposure in Walk Hard for “comedic” effect. What if it were graphic exposure of a female sitting down on full display? Would that be allowed? Finally, consider Eastern Promises with a graphic steam sauna fight, exposing the male lead to an extent that nothing is left to the imagination, but deemed acceptable for its “dramatic effect”. Can anyone imagine if that scene were changed with a woman spin-kicking and sprawled about? The movie would be considered exploitive trash.

Replacing the man in each of these roles with a woman allows the casual viewer to see just how blatant and gratuitous these scenes are. The contrast is laughable. These types of depictions should not be allowed at all. In fact, they are not allowed by the MPAA when the graphic depiction concerns a women.

A little art film from Britain came out awhile back about an artist that could freeze time and used this ability to disrobe the women who were shopping at his grocery store in order to draw them. It was quite popular at Cannes and Toronto Film festival and was a hit with the critics. The buzz led to its transformation into a full length feature film called Cashback. In order to be released with an R rating, the female figures were digitally altered to cover some of the more revealing areas. Having watched the original film short, the amount of female flesh on display was far less than that currently shown by men in current film and cable television. Why was the prominent display of the men in the above listed films allowed while the women’s privacy was kept sacrosanct?

The same could be said for the new Starz series Spartacus. With the exception of the first episode each one has shown at least one penis, often with lingering views AND completely shaved! WTF? Meanwhile, the one female frontal scen consisted a a brief merkin shot. Imagine the reaction if it were a shaved full frontal woman (gasp – the outrage!). I’m not suggesting graphic porn shots for the ladies – but why the double standard?

This discussion is relevant because it shows, again, how women are protected and respected while men are flaunted. Keep it analogous; women enjoy a nice looking male chest as much as men enjoy a nice looking female chest. Please do not compare a female upper body to a man’s lower. Neither genders genitalia should be shown, but if it is, it should be equal.

Bare flesh always leads to vibrant discussion, but more disturbing than the disproportionate amount of male flesh displayed on cable and movies is the general depiction of men on television. On the average sitcom, take a look at the male figures and compare them to their female counterparts. How often is the man a bumbling, unintelligent buffoon who requires the saving grace of his well rounded wife in order to make it through the episode? Now imagine we had a show where the man new what was best and the woman was a moron. Imagine the feminist outcry! Yet, it is perfectly acceptable for male bashing to occur without so much as a batted eyelash – it is business as usual.

Be careful of what this may teach the future generations of men in our society.

HanaNo Gravatar September 8, 2010 at 9:21 pm

Guys,just be fair.More male nudity!Ipersonaly love naked man.Films with naked womans turns me off.If there be some balance I am happy.

HeidiNo Gravatar September 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm

I can’t believe this is still getting comments a year and a half past the post date!

Way to go Christian! I think you found a topic that never dies. :-)

SCNo Gravatar September 17, 2010 at 9:31 am

An excellent comment CK, particularly if you compare it with other childish observations the post got.

Really?!dontbestupidnow.No Gravatar January 16, 2011 at 4:57 am

I agree 100% with Tori, Hana and LX….
Thank You God!! It is about time! I am so sick of movies that just show nude women. Its all about how sexy the women are. Where are the hot men? with bad a** bodies? taking their pants off showing us what they have? I totally agree that us women need to start standing up about this. If they decide to put topless women in films, well then we need to see men with their pants off. I’m so sick of it being all about every woman in the film being over the top sexy. Men who say that us women are just jealous is just to keep us quiet. Its their way of trying to have their cake and eat it to. If your my man and you respect me don’t sit and watch these nude women. Men wouldn’t like it if we sat and watched some hot man showing his [private parts] more than once in the movie and all the chicks were not hot lol imagine if this whole thing was turned around.

David H. Hussey, JrNo Gravatar January 16, 2011 at 8:05 pm

I do not care if MEN ad WOMEN (however they “look”) are filmed nude all of the time. MY problem is the despicable “Hollywood” obsession with filming YOUNG BOYS, nude—–or seemingly so.
“The Reavers,” “Manny’s Orphans,” and “Now And Then,” are only a few examples. “The Little Rascals” and “Lord Of The Flies,” are a few more. Pardon me, but I cannot think of any “mainstream” movies, depicting nude little girls!

RonNo Gravatar February 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm

I can understand what the women are saying about the display of nude women being gratuitous. However, I believe the MPAA should allow the display of female genitals if they are going to allow the display of male genitals.

LolliNo Gravatar February 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm

CK, you do make a lot of fair points but I disagree with you on some things.

I’ve never seen Hostel 2 but I don’t agree with that scene either. I’m sure there have been some horror flicks where disgusting things have been done to women, but that does seem to take the biscuit. Was it a male or female who wrote, directed and edited the film though? I have a feeling they were all male.. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of films, adverts, shows, etc. are out to shock or sell sex to get our attention and our money. Like I said I think it’s disgusting the scene you described but I don’t think any woman would say that was okay..

As for a guy doing kicks while naked – that would not be the same as a woman spreading about, sorry, we have different bodies, built differently. We have sticking out bouncy bits on top and you guys have it down below.

I don’t think looking at a male’s chest is just the same as looking at a females but maybe that is because we class breasts as a secondary sex organ and not the male chest. So maybe we should do what Jo Brand says, show the secondary sex organ of the males, if the breasts are shown, which are the balls :P Okay, sorry for the joke, maybe that wasn’t appropriate, but I do think some males get so bent out of shape and tend to have selective memories.

Women are shown so much more and I include frontal nudity in this too. I watched one show where they showed full female nudity 3-4 (wasn’t really counting) times for a long time and they showed nothing of the males, I mean absolutely nothing – might I include that there were a few young beautiful women in it but only 1 young man in the show. Look at newspapers, at least here, on page three you’ll have a topless, full page, in colour, on page 3, and sometimes on other pages in the newspaper – where is the guy? You’ll have tons of magazines for men and not women. Loads of times where women are hardly wearing anything and paraded around as sex objects. Sadly, even in womens’ mags they are showing and discussing how a women looks in a bikini.

To go off a little: I think it’s also how we’re brought up. You won’t see young girls being given nude mags full of men but it’s quite normal for that to happen to teenage boys. I really do believe women/teenage girls are just as inquisitive as men/teenage boys. It might be in slightly different ways, I think we all vary though, but I think we both like the naked form – okay not all of us but I think both sides are equal.

I don’t need/want to see nudity of either genders in films but if they are going to show it then I think it should be more equal. Also, they tend to show more average men and more beautifully perfect, similar looking, usually younger females too. I do feel they try to be a bit more fair here though and show both average men and women.. Thank god….

I also disagree with shaving a woman down there to make it fair for men – why? Some day they will probably show it because people like to push boundaries.. Like showing the penis is doing now.. However, why the need to shave it, that’s not making it fair, we are both naturally hairy down there, you guys are built with it sticking out and we’re not, it’s just nature, and it’s like the chest and breast difference I mentioned above. However, I do take notice that you mentioned a guy was shaved in a film/show but I don’t think us women are asking for that?

As for male rears shown on those channels you mentioned. I’ve seen other things than just male rears on them. Plus, there are both male rears and female rears shown on adverts here so..

You’re right there are shows out there where men are shown as morons but are you telling me that women aren’t type cast either. What about the bitter old woman? Women who are scatty and can’t handle anything? Bossy and demanding women? Remember Scrubs? Wasn’t the female in Dharma and Greg a moron and the guy level headed? There was a moronic girl and a moronic man in that. Unfortunately, it does suck, but we’re all stereotyped, and tv, for the most part, is shit.. I think most women realise that men are much more intelligent, have more depth, and are more interesting, and vary! than those flat generic versions on screen. Just hope men think the same about women.. People, whether it’s their background, gender, nationality can get typecast and stuck in rut.

Thank you for your intelligent points though. However, I do still believe that women are shown more, including full frontal, and definitely more on display as sex objects than men. It is changing possibly though.. What really needs to change for both is the respect for both genders – think we’re both getting treated unfairly in different ways..

P.S. Maybe we see only one side – we’re more affected, and offended, possibly by what is depicted of our gender.

David H., I completely agree. Young boys nudity is shown tons more and I used to comment on it. I don’t understand why they think it’s okay for boys but consider it bad for girls.. I really don’t know why that is..

mrbob – a lot of good points too…

LolliNo Gravatar February 1, 2011 at 10:28 pm

Apologies for my awful grammar and if any of it doesn’t make sense. My brain takes longer to think of things! I bet I’ll come up with tons more better points afterwards!! Plus, I just wanted to add that I don’t want them to show girls either but that it is true that they show male children so much more.. Also, a few films have cut out showing full frontal males to lower the rating, but the rating is lower for full frontal females – although this might have changed recently… Some of the actors have discussed this, saying they were surprised as they were only shown for a split second..

Tim1974No Gravatar April 5, 2011 at 7:18 pm

Lolli, Your idea that females show more full frontal nudity is completely inaccurate. In fact, it has become extremely rare to even see full frontal female nudity. There has been nothing but male genitals on display everywhere. A large amount in American mainstream films. numerous HBO shows, now on things like “Spartatcus,” and even in “The Simpsons” movie. No female has been exposed like they do with men. Close-ups, long scenes, and numerous scenes within the film. Why are the filmmakers afraid to show females in the same way? It has become a huge double standard. It is long past the time to start seeing full frontal female nudity as well. Lolli, if you don’t believe what I am saying, I am more than willing to debate you on the issue. As a male who has always wanted nudity equality and often speak up on behalf of females who may be facing a injustice, I am appalled at how females have turned their back to males now that they need their support to speak up on their behalf. It has become painfully obvious that the only equality that females want is that which benefits themselves.

BadscorpioNo Gravatar April 29, 2011 at 2:19 am

It has become very uneven in recent years with regard to frontal nudity. In the past 3 or 4 years, I can name about 25 american films with male frontals and maybe 4 or 5 with female.
Right now I noticed alot of female reviews are complaining about the female nudity in HBOs Game Of Thrones, saying its gratuitous, but I wonder how many of them will complain about the male frontal in a upcoming episode. Prob none.
Women say its impossible to show female genital nudity without having a woman open her legs, but thats not true either as any one whos had their girlfriend walk around naked and recline on a sofa or bend over to get something can tell you.
Women complain about female frontals being gratitious but not male. I remember watching a foreign film with 2 female friend years ago and a man was seen fully nude and they were giggling and commenting on it. Later in the film a labia show as shown and their attitudes became downright haughty. They thought it was unneccessary and vulgar.
To give a great example of this double standard watch The People vs Larry Flynt. Theres a scene where a phographer is taking pics and the woman opens her legs. Her [expletive] is obscured by a bedpost so we can see her genitals (even though the entire scene revolves around female genitals). About a hour later, a penis is seen in a photograph in full view – no obscuring.

Even cable has upped the male frontals and female frontals have become something seen rarely.

Hollywood needs to stop putting [alliterative expletive] on a pedestal. Natalie Portman was supposed to have a shot in Closer where she opens her legs in front of Clive Owen in the strip club scene. It was filmed and cut. Lindsey Lohan offered to go full frontal for a film and was told no. Movie about men going to Las Vegas for a bachelor party, a film aimed at men, features almost no female nudity and 2 male frontals including a shot of a erection (even though it was prosthetic. Your Highness has many topless women, their nipples obscured, but again we see a male character with a erection in full view.
There is a double standard, but its not aimed at women.

Its ridiculous to compare female breasts to male frontals. Penis are genitalia, breasts arent. Breasts arent even comsidered nudity in some countries.

PHNo Gravatar February 5, 2012 at 3:49 pm

I congratulate and support the men here who recognize the importance of this equal rights issue. The use of intelligence will always overcome intimidation, projection, insult, and exclamation points. I am like many men who probably never gave it much thought or really cared, but one only has to observe the double standard that has strongly emerged in society, as evidenced by these movies, to say the least. Art mimics life and vice-versa. Every human being deserves respect, and these women need to respect the way a man feels. The reason boys are filmed in this manner is to emasculate them and build a feminist-controlled society. It has always amazed me how women who may have been affected by a particularly bothersome event ( i.e. being insecure over the use of breasts in movie) or exploiting women/men fail to understand this when it applies to the opposite sex. I ask you to please open your minds and not let petty concerns overide an issue will, most assuredly, affect your childern’s future. In other words, if you love your son’s don’t pursue this childish standpoint of revenge by means of exposing a man’s genitalia, or supporting such a viewpoint. Ladies ask yourself, what does this achieve? This to me is the definition of a pig- those who wallow in the mud. If you want to see men naked ,forge a relationship, or watch pornography, whatever it is that you choose. I don’t care what you do, it’s not my business. What my concern is the lack of understanding, or is it the lack of responsibilty and ultimately CARE. To exploit a women is to exploit a man. To demean a woman is to demean a man. To show a woman in a fully aroused state should be about acceptable as a man. Spare me the anatomy lesson this is about something much deeper than that.

PHNo Gravatar February 5, 2012 at 4:15 pm

Also, I would like to add that it is a good thing to continue this discussion, I hope it lasts for a long, long time. There should’nt be a need to legitimize this issue, unfortunately there is, largely in part I think due to the irresponsible statements of the less informed. Do your research before you speak ladies and support your statements with facts, not just blind emotion.

LolliNo Gravatar February 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm

It isn’t based on blind emotion, it is based on fact, I’m not blind. Thank you for assuming that though. I have done my research. I’m not the kind of person that ignores facts just to support my ideas. I go with the truth and you are clearly not that kind of person. You are the one who is going on blind emotion. I saw replies to my post ages ago and I chose not to reply because the replies back to me were ridiculous. I’ve seen that guy posting on other things – clearly he is on a mission. I’ve only posted here about this. The funny thing is that the last 4 posts after mine, which my post was made almost a year ago, have been made from men against the idea that females are shown more, no replies from females, or men who agree with me and others. And yet you reply with a comment to women, when there needed no more rebuttals – as there were already 2 other men replying afterwards..

I tried to make my point in a very fair and clear way. I’m sure you could see from my previous post that it wasn’t based on emotion. Did I appear that way? Because some of the people replying against what I wrote are the ones who seem more emotional about this..

When you are talking about boys, are you talking about naked boys, not men? Because I said before I didn’t think it was fair if naked boys are shown more if naked girls aren’t. I don’t know the facts on that one. I was talking about women and men. I didn’t say that men should be shown in aroused states and not women, when have they? The only ones I’ve seen are prosthetics shown in mostly comedy or horror films. I don’t agree with that and I think it’s horrible in horror films, but it’s not women who made those films, so why are you saying what we are doing is unfair? I really don’t get your point anymore and I wish I could turn off whatever keeps emailing me this shit.

P.S. to Scorpio: Why should a woman have to open her legs to be fair if a man is standing naked. That is not the same thing. A women standing like a man is the same thing. We are built differently. What do you want an internal scan? We have more on the top and you have more on the bottom. I have a feeling this is more to do with your feeling with seeing men…

I have just watched programme after programme, and film after film, with naked women, including full frontal, and no naked men – apart from a skinny guy’s chest. Now I have decided that maybe this is how it’s going to be, and I just have to accept that life isn’t fair, but I’m tired of getting these emails in my inbox, if it made sense I would say fair enough, you’re right, but it isn’t. I’m getting sick of it now. I said my piece, probably not that well, and I could have took more time to prove it, but I can’t be bothered, I was willing to leave it, even though people kept coming back to reply . Well now after the 4th comment, after a year of me replying, I’m tired of it and have left this…

Let’s just agree to disagree because we aren’t going to be convinced of each other’s argument. Like I said before, if it was the truth, if it made sense, I’d agree with you, that’s how I am, but you don’t know me, so you assume whatever..

LolliNo Gravatar February 20, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Can I also just say that I wouldn’t be surprised if the writer was making some of these comments..

LolliNo Gravatar February 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Also, I’d like to add that the frontal nudity the writer was talking about is in comedy and horror mainly, this stuff wasn’t made purely with women in mind, they aren’t done in a sexy, hot way to entice women to watch, and it was made and decided by men. In fact the men who appear naked in some of those are the ones who came up with it. It’s funny how the second some men, and women, see a naked man they freak out. I guess it was easier if it was just women walking about naked.. And I agree with the point of using nudity to just shock, using it for no reason but to get people shocked, to entertain, to get bums on seats, but they have done this loads of times with women as well.. and not just in films.. I’m not saying that makes it right but I’m only pointing out that this had been done for so long with women, but the second it starts on men being used in that way, it’s like ‘hang on a sec!’

PHNo Gravatar February 21, 2012 at 9:05 pm

If you were offended by what I said , then it must apply to you sweetie. You just seem really angry and motivated by this. You clearly have some jealousy issues. Just look how long you’ve been commenting on here with meaningless rhetoric, and yes at least I argue instead of simple contradiction.
Please calm down.

PHNo Gravatar February 21, 2012 at 9:12 pm

P.S.-If you’re dyin to see one call me. wink-wink

ScottNo Gravatar April 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm

For those comparing male and female genitals, a little anatomy lesson is clearly in order.

The female ‘equivalent’ so to speak, of the male penis is NOT the labia, the vulva, nor the entire vagine. It is, more specifically, the clitoris.

All fetus’, btw, start out FEMALE, not male. That change occurs with the sex hormonal ’switch’ going on. IOW, the clitoris does not ’shrink’ but rather it grows. Inside every mature female body are a pair of extraordinarly small testes. Comparable to the testes, for example, in a woman would be her ovaries.

The clitoris is THE most sexually excitable part of the female anatomy and most conducive to both the ability to get pregnant being encouraged and the act of sex being the most pleasurable. And it does, in fact, get erect though for obvious size reasons, doesn’t tent up a womans underwear. Due it’s extreme sensitivity, it is the primary cause of multiple orgasms which men, sadly and due to the nature of the penis/testes relationsihp, lack.

The nipples in both sexes an add to sexual pleasure but are not primarily necessary to good intercourse.

What we are dealing with in film is not anatomy, it’s psychology, which is why the arguments of intimidated males, and their apologist female counterparts, are not valid when it comes to speaking specifically about anatomy. They are entirely missing the point.

The psychology of the intimidated male often stems from a sense of inferiority. In fact, you can gauge either the size of a mans genitals and/or how he feels about them simply by broaching this topic.

Most young males figure out how to feel about their genitals from other young males or adult males. This is demonstrated in many cultures. In ours, the high school locker room is one environment where males are shamed or praised for how they are built.

The males who are mocked and shamed for being ‘little dicks’ tend to take that and turn the rejection inward on themselves. They do not wish to re-experience it, but whenver they are faced with a male member of greater girth, length, performance ability etc, particularly when attached to a very athletic physique, these insecure males psyche’s crumble. Since they cannot complain with any credibility about it to other males, and they won’t with women as it would be an admission of not being able to ‘add up’, they become hostile to anything that they, usually wrong, percieve as reducing their own bodies or worth in society ( hence the conspiracy rhetoric of ‘the feminization of men in society’ stories ).

Most males who are at least of average penis size are not as concerned or intimidated by male nudity. This is particularly true among a certain group of males who could be classed as very well endowed. What’s to be intimdated by?

Add to this the appealing idea of ’stripping women down’, literally and metaphorically, for most poorly endowed or shame oriented males, and you’ve got the primary two rationale bases of the ‘anti-male nudity’ group of men. Underneath the appeal of the naked female for this group of men is a sense of satisfaction that it is not they themselves who are being judged. They are the position of judging, and that’s the most appealing part of it. This thinking will often infect various other aspects of the males life as well. Relationships with women in their lives, if they exist at all, tend to suffer across the board unless and until they can find a simliarly pathosed woman ( one willing to be ‘reduced’ either voluntarily or by force ).

The solution for this group of men is not to hide from their fears, but confront them and the solution for society and equality for all and a healthy emotional development towards our own bodies, is to see MORE, not less, nudity that is handled sensitiviely and in mature contexts. For example, if all male nudity were occurring only in male on male rape scenes, that would tend to solidify the resolve of puritanical men against their own nudity. However, if the male nude scenes were delicately handled, and the male viewers could see it in the context of normalcy ( love making, sports, ) and with an air of innocence, the discomfort levels would tend to drop enormously.

But…life doesn’t work like that either and in any case, we cannot dictate to the story teller or writer and be a good audience, though we do owe them an honest reaction. The reaction of some of the males on this board isn’t really them defining themselves as sexists so much as it is them admitting to a very deep insecurity about themselves and confusion about the female gender ( which cannot be reduced as easily as they’d like it to be either in role nor in physique ).

And as males tend to seek the approval of other males, the more males that become comftorable within themselves and release shame of their own anatomy, the more comftorable they will become when they see that women very much enjoy, and are happier when, an environment of equal proportions in all things.

There is NO evidence that can be considered worthwhile that demonstrates the success of misogny. It has, throughout human history, resulted in extreme violence and exploitation against women and children and thus also undermining the sense of male worth among males themselves. Misogyny requires that men make themselves as slaves, victims of violence, poverty, etc etc and their very normal reaction of hostility about this, sadly, tends to rationalize their taking it out on women and children, homosexuals ( mainly male homosexuals ) and animals even. It’s a very perverse social system if you look at it objectively.

Personally, I have no issues with seeing other males genitals on screen though I’m not a big fan of onsceen violence taken overboard, but I have an aversion to it because it has been so honored as an answer to peoples problems that it costs human lives whereas normal sexuality rarely does. Nor am I intimidated by my girlfriends sex drives and in fact would rather see that encouraged than discouraged as it too often is ( typically by, again, the system of misogny ) and results in the female psyche being damaged in some way.

The circle of sexism is vicious and both sexes would be far better off if they jumped out of it and rather than attacking each other, attacked those things in their own individual makeup that caused them fear, anxiety, or hostility.

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